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Catholic Forum True Catholic in Australia claims the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made a mistake

Post by Lionel A on Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:43 am

The star member of the True Catholic forum is a retired priest from Australia Fr.John George.In the past some of my reports were pulled down (1) and there was a general ban on the subject extra ecclesiam nulla salus on True Catholic.Also extra ecclesiam nulla salus has been banned on the other Catholic forums in Australia, like Thy Daily Bread. Probably they have received legal threats under leftists laws in Australia.

Fr.John George knows there is no visible baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.Yet he will not admit this on the forum.Since it would mean he is affirming the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.If he supports the literal interpretation there could be threats under anti Semitism and racist laws .The members of True Catholic now hold non Catholic positions on this subject except for a member Trent.They claim that Jews do not have to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.

Meanwhile on other subjects Fr.John George maintains an orthodox Catholic position and still regularly criticizes the dissenting Australian website Catholica. True Catholic itself however has begum to dissent on the Church teaching on salvation.

To maintain their non traditional position on salvation Fr.John George says, like the Left, that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 condemned Fr.Leonard Feeney for holding the rigorist interpretation of the dogma i.e he denied the baptism of desire etc.

Fr.John George is implying that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made a mistake and assumed that the baptism of desire etc was physically visible and so an exception to the dogma on salvation.This is false.The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 no where states that being saved in invincible ignroance or with implicit desire is physically visible to us or, that it is an exception to the dogma on salvation.

The priest from Sydney and the Administrator are trying to protect themself by changing the teachings of the Cathlic Church with irrationality and non traditional views.-Lionel Andrades

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Note: One of my posts on evolution which said the ape could have devolved from man, a degenerate species and thatscientists cannot disprove this view was found distrubing by the leftists and the post was removed.



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Post by Admin on Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:37 am

Lionel, once again, if he thinks that BoD/"invincible ignorance" are visible to us, ask him to give us some names of folks who ended their lives in that category. Once again, the Catholic Church has canonized thousands of individuals, all of whom explicitly professed submission to the Roman Pontiff.

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Post by Lionel A on Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:06 pm

ARCHDIOCESE OF SYDNEY PRIEST INDICATES THAT THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE MADE A MISTAKE
On the Internet forum True Catholic, Fr.John George indicates that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 the magisterium, made a mistake. He does not deny this. If he denied it he would have to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is easier for him to say that the Magisterium made a mistake by assuming that the baptism of desire was physically visible to us and so a known exception to every one needing to be a visible member of the church for salvation as the dogma teaches.

Fr:John George knows that physically we cannot see any one in 2013 and who is now in Heaven. So those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney, who was not excommunicated for heresy.

The priest from the Archdiocese of Sydney says on True Catholic that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 said that the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is false. The Letter does not explicitly say this one has to assume it wrongly.Fr.John has assumed that these cases are physically visible to us and so they are exceptions to every one needing to be visible members of the Catholic Church.

This elderly priest is suggesting that the Letter of the Holy Office made a factual error.It assumed that we can see the dead in Heaven physically.Invisible cases are assumed to be visible and so an exception to the infallible teaching.

Perhaps the Archbishop and priests in Sydney are also saying that the Letter of the Holy Office made an objective mistake when they criticize Fr.Leonard Feeney for not accepting the baptism of desire as an exception to the historical understanding of the dogma on exclusive salvation. -Lionel Andrades

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