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Baptism of Desire cannot possibly be visible.

Post by Admin on Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:28 pm

The Council of Trent declares this:

CANON XVI -- If any one saith, that he will for certain, of an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of perseverance unto the end, unless he have learned this by special revelation; let him be anathema.
If we cannot say with "absolute and infallible certainty" that we will go to Heaven, how could we possibly make such a claim about any non-Catholic, whether such an individual has been publicly baptized or not??? Clearly, BoD is not visible!

Of course, the Second Vatican Council reaffirmed the decrees of the Council of Trent in Lumen Gentium, 51.


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Letter of the Holy Office and visible baptism of desire

Post by Lionel A on Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:20 am

So if the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 implied that the baptism of desire was visible it would be an error ?

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Re: Baptism of Desire cannot possibly be visible.

Post by Admin on Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:02 am

Yes, if the Holy Office letter did, in fact, imply that, but clearly, as the Holy Office cited the Council of Trent, then it could not be implying that BoD was visible, for it would have contradicted Trent, and hence, itself for having cited Trent as an authority!

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So this was Mons.Fenton's interpretation of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with allegedly known exceptions. Visible to him!

Post by Lionel A on Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:17 am

Agreed!
The Letter mentions the dogma and refers to 'the infalllible teaching'.
So this was Mons.Fenton's interpretation of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with allegedly known exceptions. Visible to him!

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Re: Baptism of Desire cannot possibly be visible.

Post by Admin on Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:59 am

Well, "call him out" (if he is still alive, probably not), and unless he can name some of these "visible exceptions," then he ought to retract his statement.

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He never made the invisible-visible, explicit-implicit distinction.

Post by Lionel A on Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:57 am

He is dead but his writings are important for traditionalists. He never made the invisible-visible, explicit-implicit distinction.

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Re: Baptism of Desire cannot possibly be visible.

Post by Admin on Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:59 am

Well, he should have!

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