Bro.Thomas Augustine will still not answer if the baptism of desire cases are physically visible to us

Brother Thomas Augustine does not reply to emails, at least mine.

the Center's position is that everyone in Paradise will have the character of sacramental Baptism, no exceptions.

no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.

If people are saying that BoD/BoB are "exceptions" to EENS, then they are mistaken. The Council of Florence was quite clear on this point:

unless they can name who these people are, their statements are self-contradictory

How could we know that what someone else does not know is due "through no fault of his own"?

Lionel A wrote:So it is clear for you that those in invincible ignorance are not visible to you and to and so they cannot be an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

What about those saved with a good conscience (LG 16) and those saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church' and others with the 'seeds of the word' are they visible to you ?

So is Vatican Council II in agreement with Fr.Leonard Feeney and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?

I should also mention that when the Sisters of St. Anne were trying to get their status "regularized," they were asked through Bishop Harrington by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to "understand" the "Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston." My They Fought the Good Fight was still in manuscript at the time, but it had been read approvingly by both the bishop and the sisters. I suggested they use the following "understanding" of the "Letter" in my book:

"A reference to the "Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston" appears in an official footnote to Lumen Gentium (2,16)...The relevant passage of Lumen Gentium reads:

"'Those also can attain to everlasting life who through no fault of their own do not know the gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God, and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.'

"This passage of Lumen Gentium is similar to the "Letter" but with one significant difference. The phrase 'implicit desire' (votum implicitum) which was so objectionable to Father Feeney has been dropped...The relevant passage from Lumen Gentium continues:

"'...Nor does divine Providence deny the help necessary for salvation to those who without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God, but who strive to live a good life, thanks to His grace. Whatever goodness or truth is found among them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel (my emphasis TMS). She rewards such qualities as given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life.'

"So a person of goodwill who is involved in invincible ignorance and has an implicit desire to be joined to the Church, may indeed be saved, but not where he is. Whatever truth or goodness is found in such a person is looked upon by the Church as a "preparation for the Gospel," and Lumen Gentium continues, it is to such persons that the Church 'to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all such men (emphasis mine), and mindful of the command of the Lord, 'Preach the Gospel to every creature' (Mk.16:16), ...painstakingly fosters her missionary work.'"(5)

This "understanding" was accepted by both Bishop Harrington and the Sisters, and on his next ad liminal visit to Rome the Bishop presented it to the Congregation. It was accepted, and the status of the Sisters was "regularized."

Lionel A wrote:[b]The status of the Sisters is not at issue here.