Since for Pope Francis LG 16 is visible, Vatican Council II is a break with the past, the past 'triumphalism'

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Since for Pope Francis LG 16 is visible, Vatican Council II is a break with the past, the past 'triumphalism'

Post by Lionel A on Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:42 am


Since for Pope Francis LG 16 is visible, Vatican Council II is a break with the past, the past 'triumphalism'.


When the leftists refer to 'triumphalism' they mean there is a need to end mission, as it was known in the past.So it was probably in this sense that Pope Francis was critical of triumphalism. For Pope Francis Vatican has changed the old concept on other religions and ecumenism.

It needs to be remembered that for Pope Francis Lumen Gentium 16 is not invisible but visible: being saved in invincible ignorance is not invisible but visible.

Since LG 16 refers to visible cases of persons being saved in invincible ignorance , for him Lumen Gentium 16 is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors. LG 16 also contradicts AG 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.LG 16 visible is a break with the past. LG 16 invisible is a continuity with Tradition.

So for Pope Francis the Catholic Church no more teaches the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Church is no more 'triumphalistic' as in the past.

If Pope Francis accepted LG 16 as invisible, then it would mean those saved in invincible ignorance are not known to us. So rationally LG 16 does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.There is a continuity with the past . There would be a continuity with the 'triumpahislistic church' . The traditional Church opposed by the Jewish Left and their supporters within the Catholic Church.

Similarly for Pope Francis 'elements of sanctification' (LG Cool, seeds of the word, a good conscience, imperfect communion with the Church are not invisible but visible.

This is a widely held error in the Church even among the Jesuits, and the odds are Pope Francis was teaching it at theology classes in Argentina.

So when the pope refers to 'triumphalism' he is not a liberal or dissenter but genuinely thinks Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition and no one has corrected him.
-Lionel Andrades

http://australiaincognita.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/the-triumphalism-problem-pride-vs.html

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Re: Since for Pope Francis LG 16 is visible, Vatican Council II is a break with the past, the past 'triumphalism'

Post by Admin on Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:46 am

Lionel,

I read the blog post above. I don't think that Pope Francis was saying what you think that he was saying. If anything, he was condemning OSAS ("Once saved, always saved"), that heresy which infects so many Protestants.

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