The Galileo Controversy and its Consequences

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The Galileo Controversy and its Consequences

Post by columba on Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:10 pm

I've had this gut feeling that the admission that the Church erred in her condemnation of Galileo was behind many of the modernist ideas of the Church being a mere one among equals.

I posted the following at the other Forum for comment.


Here's an intersesting short article by Robert Sungenis.
By admission of BXVI, the reason for VatCII was the correcting of errors of those past Church extremes in doctrine. The problem being, if such errors existed (and we were led to believe they did) then what's to stop such errors from being present in any future Church doctrine (or VatII for that matter). Once the admission is made that "the Church can err," she immediately loses her credibility as the sole, divinely inspired teacher of the faith.

For article see link below:

http://www.catholicintl.com/images/stories/Pope_Benedict_XVI_Says_Vatican_II.pdf

Any thoughts, Jehanne, Lionel?

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Re: The Galileo Controversy and its Consequences

Post by Lionel A on Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:33 am

This is the aim of the leftists and other enemies of the Church.They want all to believe that there was a mistake made in the Galileo case and the church was wrong. Since it was wrong there it could be wrong in doctrine too.

School children in Rome are being taught all this leftist propaganda including that of evolution where it is not the ape who has devolved from man, in a degenerate species, but vice versa.

Evolution (leftist version) is at par with New Age thinking and re incarnation.

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Re: The Galileo Controversy and its Consequences

Post by Admin on Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:32 pm

The Galileo decision was a canonical judgment, not a dogmatic one. Copernicanism had been "on the scene" for a century and the Council of Trent, the Roman Catechism, and no Pope in any Papal Bull ever condemned it. So, what we're left with is a reformable decision by an ecclesiastical court to simply censure (and, to an extent, silence) who everyone agreed was a pompous ass, even if "that ass" turned out to be a brilliant scientist, who, by the way, was not correct on every assertion which he made. (Galileo thought that a wire hanging under its own weight would assume the shape of a parabola; in fact, such a wire has a shape of a catenary.)

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Re: The Galileo Controversy and its Consequences

Post by columba on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:45 pm

I'm still not convinced of the reformable nature of the previously condemned assertion of Galileo concerning the workings of the cosmos. As his theory remains unproven it should never had been given the credibility it received nor been allowed to contend against the Church's immemorial belief on the nature of the universe based on Sacred Scripture. The fact that the Church (presently) has given the same credibility to a non-proven theory to the extent that it now appears that such scientific theory will trump Sacred Scripture is a sign (at least) of distrust in God. Of course we also have evolution (another abominable theory) being given the same credence as Sacred Scripture. It actually appears that Church authorities are doubting the Word of God and placing more trust in the word of man, even when the word of man on these issues does not receive unanimous scientific agreement.

I suppose(as Sungenis says) for this reason, scripture has been reduced to accuracy only on issues pertaining to faith and morals against the Church's prior stance that Sacred Scrpture was totally free from error, period.


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Re: The Galileo Controversy and its Consequences

Post by Admin on Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:36 pm

Columba,

The canonical judgment against Galileo was completely reformable, as it was addressed to him alone and not to the universal Church at large.

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Re: The Galileo Controversy and its Consequences

Post by columba on Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:20 pm

I'm aware of that Jehanne but like many canonical matters there is also present a faith or morals matter. The reason for the judgment against Galileo (which was personal for him) was that he denied the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture with his theory. The premise from which the canonical penalty was imposed was that of his contradiction of divine teaching (as contained in Sacred Scripture), a teaching that binds all.

Here's a very good exposé on the matter by John Salza:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghZktd-PCOo


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